Minimal Wave Records

Profitis said:

apparently i’m referring to the ATM LP not being available offline, out of ebay, ready to be ordered NOW. where did I say I do not have $40?

I guess I still don’t understand what you are saying. Why can’t you buy it if it is not available offline. You buy stuff on ebay all the time.  And you can put in a bid today, and every day.

AirCrashBureau said:

So, if I don’t want to pay a considerable amount of money for a record that is released in a deliberate small run, I am not a true collector? Good, I am only here for the music.

I would not consider by today’s standards $39.99 a considerable amount of money. That is your internet bill, or cost to fill your car with gas.

Also the small run is deliberately accurate according to demand.

If you are a record collector and you want the All the Madmen record you will buy it and that is that.

I think most of us here buy minimal wave/synth because we firstly like the music, not because we consider these more or less rare records as an investment. From all your replies obscure, you strike me as someone who is only it for the money and status as a “true collector”, not for the music itself…

What Money? I have an amazing amount of great music in my apartment, but my bank account has been empty for the last 13 years. A lot of times I live day to day in terms of eating while I spend all my money on records.

So what money are you talking about?  If I wanted money I would obviously sell all my records and keep the money and then use soul seek for music.

I just spent $2200 to have a record released out of my passion for the bands music which I posted earlier is barely going to make any profit at all. 

So again what money are you talking about?

What Status?  Status according to who.  The people on this forum?  There is absolutely no status to be had as a record collector or a minimal synth collector in general. The only thing record collecting really says about a person is that they are neurotic, and are a nerd.

The saddest part about that is that 99,999999999999999999999% of the world population have never heard of “minimal synth”, so who are you trying to impress?

I am not trying to impress anyone, because there is no one that cares about my record collection.
It is my passion, and what I enjoy. 

Surely not those couple of thousands that do know about “minimal synth”?

I am trying to impress NO ONE!!!! 

All I can say about your post is that you are a severely bad judge of character.  I have responded to your questions dead on with the truth, and if you can’t understand that then you are mislead.

Fulck said:

Provided that you are who you claim….  .....reading this thread, you still feel confident you backed the right horse?

I’m sure he is, because no other label offered in the last 30 years to release the All the Madmen music, and if there is anyone that loves how this record turned out Neale does.

Not feeling a tinsy-winsy bit used by a little boy with a god-complex?

I am 35, and I don’t have a god complex, but you may have an inferiority complex.

Obscure wrote:

“Also the small run is deliberately accurate according to demand.”

And clair voyant as well… Obscure you’re priceless. 

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Slippenbekenntnisse/release/865476

Watch and learn.

I am trying to impress NO ONE!!!!

And succeeding more than anyone has ever succeeded at anything ever!

AirCrashBureau said:

And clair voyant as well… Obscure you’re priceless. 

I am priceless, and as others note my auctions are priceless.

With that kind of praise I think there is no way you can go wrong by winning the All the Madmen record.  It is one of the best minimal synth records, and its value will immediately rise as soon as you buy it.

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Slippenbekenntnisse/release/865476

Watch and learn.

AirCrashBureau, if you want a sleeve like this then buy that record. 

Bjakk said:

And succeeding more than anyone has ever succeeded at anything ever!

And according to Bjakk I am very successful!

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That is my last post for a bit.  I’ve covered it all now and responded to everyone.

The people that want the All the Madmen LP and Aspect Ratio cassette will definitely get them.

The people that want them, but want to be haters more will sit on this forum, and try to bad mouth both releases and discredit them, and complain about their prices.

Alright then, be a hater or a happy record collector.  It is your choice.

Stephen
obscure identities

To pick up on those (I fear not really) famous last words:

The choice is yours indeed.

You can be a junky and buy the ATM release for insane money on Ebay and get a “good collector, good collector” pad on your head by young Stephen. He might even throw in a squeaky toy and a dog biscuit when sending you the record because know what: he really reallly likes you.

Or…you can show some strength of character and ask yourself: if I am prepared to get deliberately screwed by someone like him, now what does that say about me?

The charm of option 2 of course also being that you wouldn’t be putting the collector community in danger of there being more releases on obscure identities as opposed to real labels.

But as young Stephen said: the choice is yours 8)

Re: Obscure Identities label

[quote author=“falck”][quote author=“MadMan2”]Hi All - I was also a member of ATM ( Hi Jens , Hi Kriss ) and I would like to say that , after 30 years , a Bloke I have never met(Hi Stephen) was very keen to release (on Vinyl - the Best format) some long forgotten music that I was closely involved with. That - to me was a major shock ! The fact that this music made it to record is a minor miracle considering it hardly made a ripple back in the day .For that , Stephen , I thank you whole heartedly .Sure , I would prefer more records pressed and sold (100,000?) however this is clearly a non starter ! I hope you can all get a copy of the ATM LP , one way or another ! Regards all , and take care !  8O

Provided that you are who you claim…. 8) .....reading this thread, you still feel confident you backed the right horse? Not feeling a tinsy-winsy bit used by a little boy with a god-complex?  :wink:

Hi , I was a member of All the Madmen , why would anyone claim that if they weren’t?
It wasn’t a case of backing the wrong horse .No one else showed any interest !
And , no , I don’t feel used -Stephen as asked me for nothing except for the oppotunity to release All the Madmen records - what am I supposed to do ? Say no??  :o

Well, yeah, agreed, of course only a madman would.  8)

But seriously, if you’re unaware of the board history, young Stephen for instance registered as an entity called “THEMINIMALSYNTHPOLICE” here making wild accusations while remaining anonymous. He also registered as “Seeing Red” (a band), so given the response he’s getting from the locals in this thread, why exclude the possibility that he chose to register as a Madman or two this time round to get some reinforcements in?

So reading this thread, you don’t for instance think it’s just a tiny bit patronizing of him that it’s him answering my question to you before you do? Rightt…

OK, so let’s just suppose I’m not talking to someone obscure here, then it’s just sad that the negativity he produces gets projected on you as well, something which of course you couldn’t have foreseen when he contacted you. I fully understand that it’s cool when after 30 years suddenly somebody shows some interest in your music.

But a business model such as his automatically leads to questions like “Why should ATM be worth a lot lot more than any other re-issue by a real label these days?” - to which the answer is “well they aren’t, unless you’re a complete junky”.

It is not that we’re keen on having that kind of discussion, but it seems that one of the few talents of young Stephen is to sell the illusion of value to the gullible and addicted and thus it can’t be avoided.

To conclude, if something like this worked out, other labels might get an idea, and then more re-releases might go up on ebay only and this might kill the entire scene. Do we want this? No Sir, I don’t think so.

So sorry, but you really couldn’t have backed a wronger horse…

I’m happy to see that things have calmed down, and people are simply enjoying the ASPECT RATIO cassette, and the ALL THE MADMEN lp now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/kbd-diy-u-s-minimal-synth-punk-ASPECT-RATIO-listen-/170531002868?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item27b47099f4#ht_1800wt_1139

http://cgi.ebay.com/kbd-diy-u-s-minimal-synth-punk-ASPECT-RATIO-listen-/170533980962?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item27b49e0b22#ht_1834wt_1139

http://cgi.ebay.com/kbd-diy-u-s-minimal-synth-punk-ASPECT-RATIO-listen-/170536625587?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item27b4c665b3#ht_1800wt_1139

http://cgi.ebay.com/kbd-diy-u-k-minimal-synth-punk-ALL-MADMEN-listen-/170531000345?pt=Music_on_Vinyl#ht_2073wt_1139

http://cgi.ebay.com/kbd-diy-u-k-minimal-synth-punk-ALL-MADMEN-listen-/170531000345?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item27b4709019#ht_2073wt_1139

http://cgi.ebay.com/kbd-diy-u-k-minimal-synth-punk-ALL-MADMEN-listen-/170533978843?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item27b49e02db#ht_2107wt_1139

http://cgi.ebay.com/kbd-diy-u-k-minimal-synth-punk-ALL-MADMEN-listen-/170536623250?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item27b4c65c92#ht_2107wt_1139

There are only 20 BLUE COPIES of each, and there are more than 20 people watching both auctions.

I have also just listed some Kraftwerk/ Gary Numan/ Throbbing Gristle spoofs with my other user handle for anyone interested in combining shipping.

http://cgi.ebay.com/u-k-minimal-synth-COURTIERS-FASHION-1983-listen-/250696446435?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3a5eac31e3#ht_1186wt_1139

http://cgi.ebay.com/u-k-minimal-synth-THE-FAST-SET-1980-listen-/250696449951?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3a5eac3f9f#ht_1186wt_1139

http://cgi.ebay.com/u-k-minimal-synth-JOHN-FOXX-1980-listen-/250696451201?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3a5eac4481#ht_1152wt_1139

http://cgi.ebay.com/u-s-minimal-synth-THE-INSTIGATORS-1985-listen-/250696453403?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3a5eac4d1b#ht_1120wt_1139

http://cgi.ebay.com/kbd-u-k-minimal-synth-PLASTIC-IDOLS-1980-listen-/250696464976?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3a5eac7a50#ht_1152wt_1139

http://cgi.ebay.com/u-k-minimal-synth-SILENT-TYPES-1980-listen-/250696469524?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3a5eac8c14#ht_1152wt_1139

http://cgi.ebay.com/u-k-minimal-synth-VICE-VERSA-1980-listen-/250696473101?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3a5eac9a0d#ht_1284wt_1139

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And Fulck,

Here are some pointers on your debate skills.

1.  Don’t get existential (i.e. “am I really talking to the person I am talking to?”)

2.  Don’t compliment the theory you are trying to debunk. (i.e.  “Stephen’s talented business model may have a following in the future”)

3.  Don’t talk like you are John Wayne (i.e. “backed a horse”)

4.  Don’t use poor grammar (i.e. “wronger” )

Let me know if that helps.

Stephen
obscure

What people? You’ve sold four copies.

[quote author=“obscure”]

And Fulck,

Here are some pointers on your debate skills.

1.  Don’t get existential (i.e. “am I really talking to the person I am talking to?”)

2.  Don’t compliment the theory you are trying to debunk. (i.e.  “Stephen’s talented business model may have a following in the future”)

3.  Don’t talk like you are John Wayne (i.e. “backed a horse”)

4.  Don’t use poor grammar (i.e. “wronger” )

Let me know if that helps.

Stephen
obscure

Nah, that’s not going to help much. 3 and 4 are unimportant nitpicking and in 1, he has a valid point: Those two guys from All The Madmen - they were you, posting under a different name, weren’t they?

As for 2: Well, since the records are selling, one per week, at a little above minimum bid, it seems that this business model is working. But there are many things that work without necessarily being efficient or ethical. He isn’t actually complementing you at all.

BJAKK: Madman1 here - now I certainly don’t believe in all of Stephen’s business methods, but I can assure you I ain’t him! email me through my site - http://stokebeat.yolasite.com/ and I’ll prove it if you like.

Hi Bjakk,

Given that I also had a private message from Madman2 here on MW in the meantime, I’d say it’s safe to assume that Madman1 and Madman2 are the genuine band members.

Well, many things have been said about the rhetorical skills of Young Stephen already, but in hindsight I must agree that I wasn’t at my best when I compared him to a horse, given that a horse is a creature that the gentle reader tends to associate attributes like grace and nobility with, so I must conclude that my comparison was most inappropriate bordering the akward. I would thus like to offer all MW readers as well as all those horses out there my most sincere apologies for this terrible blunder.

Saleswise I must say I am rather fascinated, as even a sales figure as low as 3 or 4 copies regarding that Asparagus Ration tape proves again that you can sell just anything out there.

As a result would you please excuse me now, I need to auction off

THE! BEST! HEART-SHAPED!! MINIMAL! SYNTH!!! POTATO!! EVER!!!

ONLY!! ONE!! COPY!!! IN! EXISTENCE!! IN! THE!! ENTIRE!! UNIVERSE!!!

IF!! YOU!! BUY!! IT!!! YOU!! ARE!! A! MINIMAL!! SYNTH!! COLLECTOR!!!  8)

I saw this teenager today with a shirt that said:

Nutcase!

Came the dawn!