Minimal Wave Records

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The correct link in discogs.com is

http://www.discogs.com/release/841257

oh, and by the way, this incessant bootleg plugging is getting pathetic, will you please fuck off this forum? forever?

excuse me Oystein?!?!?!

what is your problem?? this is the first time I EVER set a link for something I have for sale on this forum.

I Is that the way people treat eachother in Norway perhaps, telling them to “fuck off” if you don’t like something??  8O

You’re very impolite reactorlgtn, modo should be delete you of this forum forever. Human person respect is more important some plastic vynil…..

What’s made the HUMAN POLICE !!!!!!!!! 8O

[quote author=“delporte”]You’re very impolite reactorlgtn, modo should be delete you of this forum forever. Human person respect is more important some plastic vynil…..

What’s made the HUMAN POLICE !!!!!!!!! 8O

Well, could we maybe try to get to the core of this?

What we’re discussing here is bootlegging and its acceptability.

Reactorlgtn was surely impolite which stemmed from his frustration with all those bootleggers out there.

Claudia on the other hand, saying that you offered something for the first time here was not exactly the point. The point was you’re offering a bootleg and chances are very big indeed that you know it’s a bootleg.

And M. Delporte, I don’t know you and consequently I don’t know if you bootlegged stuff yourself or not, but repeating myself, now judging from your behaviour you very much acted like a guilty man.

But then along came falck and changed the focus of the discussion to the true identity of the minimalsynthpolice and you’re a happy hippo.

Next thing you do is that you as the far-more-likely-than-not bootlegger ask for the ban of somebody who dislikes bootleggers. A bit over the top, don’t you think so?

Claudia101 and Delporte, now how about letting us in on your personal views on bootlegging?

Hi falck and delporte,

thanx for your reactions.
ok, I get the point.

To be honest, I didn’t give it a moment’s thought that this LP might be a bootleg. Really. For me it’s just another compilation like there are many others. And i didn’t see any harm in it either, as I buy bootlegs myself, just like many other new wave-collectors. What’s the problem?

In every music scene there’s bootleggers… Diehard collectors or people with much money will always buy the originals, but the rest of us is happy with their bootlegs. As a big Depeche Mode collector, I own (besides the official stuff) also TONS of unofficial releases… so??

In fact, my opinion about the attack above is that people like reactorlgtn just get pissed over the fact that thanks to bootleggers, MANY more people will have access to their “super mega rare” records.  So the “hard-to-find” tracks won’t be restricted anymore to the small circle of wealthy snobs that think minimal synth is only for the ones with the most $$$ !!!

I admit, certain bootlegs aren’t cheap eather, but they’re still dirt cheap in comparison to obtaining 10 or 12 original 7"s!! 

I really don’t understand what the fuzz is all about… This is apparently the only scene where people make a problem out of bootlegging??
And by the way reactorlgtn: it’s not because YOU are not interested in bootlegs that you should speak for everyone else!!  :evil:
Elitarist and ill-mannered, that’s what you are in my eyes. You didn’t even try to make your point in a polite way, and you ignored my PM.

Claudia

[quote author=“falck”]
Claudia on the other hand, saying that you offered something for the first time here was not exactly the point. The point was you’re offering a bootleg and chances are very big indeed that you know it’s a bootleg.

For me, the point is that there are other ways to get your point across than reactorlgtn did.  Telling me to “fuck off forever” the first time I ever announce something for sale he doesn’t like, instead of clarifying things in a proper manner…?!?

Apart from the fact that I wasn’t fully aware that SSvol2 might be an “illegal” release, I didn’t read anywhere on the forum the rule that it’s prohibited to privately sell a bootleg to other music fans?!
Maybe you should mention that somewhere if it’s a problem for anyone?

Hi Claudia,

Well, I surely didn’t say Reactorlgtn took the best of all possible approaches to this and he wouldn’t have made friends with me either if that had been the first thing I had read from him. I hope it came across that I didn’t intend to say that that was great because he’s my mate, just that a vital part was missing in your answer.

Bootlegging is indeed a rather controversial subject and I don’t think we’d see many hands up in the air if we asked who on this forum has never owned a bootleg in their life.

Personally I’m not terribly interested in them, because leaving the legal aspects aside, they’re also very often just cheap-sounding rubbish for which 50 cents would still be far too much.

What happens in this thread now is that personal conduct is getting mixed up with the bootlegging question as well as selling bootlegs and making them.

This is why I said it would be good to have comments from you and Delporte. You gave an honest and detailed answer which I find highly respectable. Now let’s see what M. Delporte has to say.

Apart from that, I’m not aware of any rules of the house regarding bootlegs. It just happens to be a hot subject for some.  8)

And so it seems I should make some comments after all.

1. This is being posted within 24 hours of my previous comment in this thread, in which time I may or may not have had other pressing matters to attend to.
2. We had a somewhat heated debate on the matter of bootlegs at exactly the moment you chose to start plugging yours. Possibly this explains why I lost my temper.
3. It could also be I lost my temper with you because some people keep using different nicks on the forum, so I assumed Claudia101 was a third pseudonym of the same user, if this is not the case I sincerely apologize for that.
4. The bootleg in question is a compilation of different work by different artists, one song each. The songs come from items of more songs by each artist. Therefore, the “Strange sounds v2” does not render any of the rarities unnecessary to a collector - you still don’t get all the good songs of any one rarity.
5. the accusations of “elitarism” and “wealthy snobs” are difficult to take seriously considering you have listed the LP for sale at 85 euros. You changed the link after I found the link in discogs that says that the LP is “unofficial”, but this is the link I actually replied to.
6. The hard-to-find tracks are NOT restricted to any small circle as you claim; there’s a lot of good music to be found on download sites, blogs, slsk, the “minimal electronics plus” show on evr, or CD trades with other fans. Nicking a few of these tracks, pressing up small runs of LPs and not least charging 85 euros (or more, or half that for that matter) is no help to anyone but the people gaining those 85 euros. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
7. In fact, there are several labels who through months and years of research track down the original artists, and get permits to make limited editions of reissues on their behalf. If bootleggers ‘beat them to it’, it hampers the market for the official reissues.
9. The Depeche Mode comparison. Now, if “Strange Sounds vol 2” contained a lot of material which had never been released officially, it’s possible I’d be less dyspeptic about it. But this LP should not be compared with a live concert recording or such ‘extra-curricular’ product, that fans get in addition to the official releases. Rather, it can be compared with a more common practice of recent years; pirated cd-r rarities. You know, like when some remix exists only on a cd-r promo, and you find it on ebay, buy it, get it home and notice it’s homemade… As a collector, I find this annoying.

These points have been raised elsewhere on the forum. I only explain this to say why I exploded early on in this thread, and to those who have read it before, sorry to have wasted your time.

And next time I find people on the Wave forum plugging unofficial releases, well I have a lot of other channels to vent my exasperation. Maybe it’s time I start snitching instead of bitching…

btw claudia101, do we know each other, or did this “oystein from Norway” business only indicate that you do read this forum?

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-Sorry, that’s 36 hours. My mistake.

Hi Oystein, yes you should know me, as you already sent me some mp3’s via email (Neue Jugend single).. some months ago, I don’t remember exactly.

3) nope, Claudia101 is not just another pseudonym for the same user.

5) price I’m asking for the LP is even less than I paid for it myself. how about that?? I just sell it because besides I’ve grown tired of the music on it extremely quickly. (like I made clear above, I’m not really the diehard minimal synth-collector, this type of music is only a small part of my collection, so I do not like every song on that LP) Of course I don’t want to lose all the money I invested in it, so it’s impossible to sell it for only 10$ or so…

I understand your point indeed. But like I said before, I wasn’t seeing any problem in the LP being some kind of bootleg. 

But next time please try to stay more polite.

From my part the incident is closed. Let’s start over from the beginning. Deal??

Claudia

Certainly, and thanks.